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I need to know which GPU is better...
« on: June 11, 2012, 07:39:09 PM »
I have an option between two different GPUs...
An AMD Radeon HD 6750M or the Intel HD Graphics 4000.
I can't find the clock speed of the two and I want to know which option is better.
Anything is appreciated. Thanks.
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Re: I need to know which GPU is better...
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2012, 09:07:35 PM »
I wish I could give you a good apples to apples comparison. I was going to say the AMD Radeon HD 6750M immediately, but then I found this article: http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33642_7-57418061-292/at-long-last-a-credible-3d-gaming-chip-from-intel/

My gut instinct still tells me the Radeon is the better chip to go with. Intel chips have a long history of not being able to perform as well as ATis or Nvidias. How much more/less does each GPU cost?

I'm going to let Evilpoptart field this one too. Computer Hardware is a specialty of his.

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Re: I need to know which GPU is better...
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2012, 10:02:21 AM »
HUZAHH! A HARDWARE QUESTION! This woulden't happen to be for a Macbook Pro would it?  :o (me thinks it is) Heres what you need to know.

AMD Radeon HD 6750M
The AMD Radeon HD 6750M (also known as ATI Mobility Radeon HD 6750 is a fast middle-class graphics card for laptops. It supports DirectX11, is the immediate successor of the HD 5750M and features higher clock rates, 80 more shaders, Eyefinity+ and the new UVD3 video decoder. However, it is still produced in 40nm and is based on the same Whister core as the 6700M and 6600M series. First details also suggest that the HD 6750M is a 6650M with GDDR5 memory.

The 480 Stream processors are still based on the "old" 5D architecture similar to the 5000 series. Therefore, the number of shaders is not directly comparable to the 1D cores of current Nvidia GPUs. The Tessellation performance should be improved (like the desktop 6800 series) over the previous Radeon generation with the new 6700M cards. The Stream processors can be used with DirectX 11, OpenGL 4.1, DirectCompute 11 and OpenCL. The latter two features enable the Stream processors to be used for more general computations such as video transcoding.

The 3D performance of the 6750M should be similar to the older Radeon HD 5770M due to the large amount of shaders. Therefore, current and demanding games should run fluently in 1366x768 and medium to high details. Less demanding games, such as Sims 3 or Fifa 11, should run well in high details and resolutions.
The UVD3 video decoder supports the decoding of MPEG-4 AVC/H.264, VC-1, MPEG-2, Flash and now also Multi-View Codec (MVC) and MPEG-4 part 2 (DivX, xVid) HD videos on the graphics card.

Furthermore, the HD 6700M series integrates an HD audio controller to transmit HD Audio (TrueHD or DTS Master Audio) over HDMI and DisplayPort (e.g., Blu-Ray videos).
The AMD HD3D Technology offers support for Blu-Ray 3D and 3D displays (both integrated and external). However, the solution is not as mature as Nvidia's 3D Vision.
Thanks to Eyefinity, the AMD graphics chip is able to theoretically drive up to 5 monitors simultaneously. However, this only works if the laptop features enough DisplayPort outputs.
The power consumption of the 6750M chip should be similar to the Mobility Radeon HD 5770 and is therefore suited for 15" or larger laptops.

AMD Radeon HD 6750M.

Manufacturer   AMD
Radeon HD 6600M/6700M Series   

Radeon HD 6770M 480@675 / 725MHz
Radeon HD 6750M 480@600MHz
Radeon HD 6730M 480@725MHz
Radeon HD 6650M 480@600MHz
Radeon HD 6630M 480@485MHz

Codename   Whistler-PRO
Architecture   Terascale 2
Pipelines   480 - unified
Core Speed *   600 MHz
Shader Speed *   600 MHz
Memory Speed *   900 MHz
Memory Bus Width   128 Bit
Memory Type   GDDR5
Shared Memory   no
DirectX   DirectX 11, Shader 5.0
technology   40 nm
Notebook Size   medium sized
Date of Announcement   04.01.2011
Link to Manufacturer Page   http://www.amd.com/us/products/notebook/graphics/amd-radeon-6000m/amd-radeon-6700m-6600m/Pages/amd-radeon-6700m-6600m.aspx#2

Intel HD Graphics 4000

The Intel HD Graphics 4000 (GT2) is a processor graphics card that is included in the Ivy Bridge processors of 2012 (3rd generation of core, e.g. Core i7-3770). The base clock can be automatically overclocked using Turbo Boost technology. Depending on the processor model, the base and turbo clock rate may differ greatly resulting in different graphics performance of ULV parts compared to high end quad-core parts.

Compared to the Intel HD Graphics 3000 in Sandy Bridge CPUs, the HD 4000 card was completely redesigned and offers improved DirectX 11 capable shaders, Hardware Tessellation, a dedicated level 3 cache (before the Last Level Cache LLC of the CPU) and DirectCompute support. The IPC (instructions per clock) can therefore be even 2x as fast as with Sandy Bridge and overall up to 60% more performance (3DMark Vantage) should be possible.

First benchmarks position the HD Graphics 4000 (in a fast quad core desktop CPU) on a level with a dedicated Nvidia GeForce GT 330M and therefore above the AMD processor graphics Radeon HD 6620G. In our extensive tests with games the HD Graphics 4000 was able to beat the HD 6620G in a fast Core i7-3820QM by about 15%. In the slower i7-3610QM and a dual core i5 it was on a similar level as the 6620G. Therefore, casual gamers that wont mind reducing the quality settings in high end games, may be happy with the performance of the HD Graphics 4000. Beware, that the HD Graphics 4000 is used with different clock speeds depending on the CPU model. The ULV CPUs (Core ix-3xx7M) for example feature lower clock speeds and cant maintain the Turbo frequency as good as the 35 - 55 Watt models. Therefore, the ULV version is about 30% slower on average.

The integrated video decoder called Multi Format Codec Engine (MFX) was also improved and should allow even simultaneus 4K video decoding. DXVAChecker lists MPEG2, VC1, WMV9, and H264 as supported codecs. QuickSync for fast transcoding of videos was also optimized for higher performance and better image quality.
Another new feature is the support for up to 3 independent displays (maybe only with a DisplayPort) as AMD offers with theirs Eyefinity support (up to 6 displays).

Due to the 22nm 3D Tri-Gate production process, the power consumption should be relatively low (the development was focused on performance per Watt). The TDP of the whole package (including processor and memory controller) varies between 18 Watt (ULV) up to 45 Watt (mobile quad core) for the consumer laptop CPUs.

TAKE NOTE ON THE INTEL 4000!! Beware, the HD Graphics 4000 is used with different clock speeds depending on the CPU model. The ULV CPUs (Core ix-3xx7M) for example feature lower clock speeds and cant maintain the Turbo frequency as good as the 35 - 55 Watt models. Therefore, the ULV version is about 30% slower on average.

Manufacturer   Intel
HD Graphics Series   

HD Graphics 4000 16@350 - 1350MHz
HD Graphics 3000 12@350-1350MHz
HD Graphics 2500 6@650 - 1350MHz
HD Graphics 2000 6@850 / 1100-1350MHz
HD Graphics (Sandy Bridge) 6@350 - 1100MHz

Codename   Ivy Bridge
Architecture   Ivy Bridge
Pipelines   16 - unified
Core Speed *   350 - 1350 MHz
Shader Speed *   350 - 1350 MHz
Shared Memory   yes
DirectX   DirectX 11, Shader 5.0
technology   22 nm
Features   QuickSync
Date of Announcement   23.03.2011




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Re: I need to know which GPU is better...
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2012, 10:47:50 AM »
**Edit

Ok so I had the pros and cons of each card here along with a wall of text but my F#$**ing session timed out and I just lost everything FUUUUUUUUUUU  :suicide:

So here's the deal since im at work and im not going to type all that back in, plus I don't remember what I all typed. Here is the extremely short summary.

Go with the AMD Radeon HD 6750M. The benchmarks hold up really well vs the Intell 4000. The Intel 4000 drops off significantly at medium to higher FPS. The Intel 4000 really isen't ment for video games from what I see. What worries me the most is the Intel 4000 does not have solid core and shader speeds. Which is total BS to let it be run by the CPU. You may never achieve max core/shader speeds. Woop-dee-doo that it has codec and stuff for movies and blah blah blah. You want performance not aesthetics.

Youll be much happier with the AMD 6750M Here are all the benchmark links for you to look at. Keep in mind your looking at this from a video game aspect.
http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-HD-6750M.43958.0.html
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-HD-Graphics-4000.69168.0.html




Now... where to f#*&ing change session timeouts....... :flutterglare:


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Re: I need to know which GPU is better...
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2012, 02:59:15 AM »
Oh god, a wall of text...
I was just expecting a greater than sign.  :o

Either way, thanks for the information. I appreciate your research.
And I'm surprised. Intel's newer GPUs still don't hold up to today's standards...
Crap dude, you better do what he says.
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Re: I need to know which GPU is better...
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2012, 09:01:04 AM »
For Intel not as much, for Nvidia OH YES! Nvidia has been kicken AMD's arse performance wise.


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Re: I need to know which GPU is better...
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2012, 03:52:37 PM »
All I gotta say is f*** yeah for research!

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Re: I need to know which GPU is better...
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2012, 10:03:15 AM »
 ;D


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